the money maze and options

money maze

When I go a little quiet over here it’s generally because I’ve lost a little direction and I’m doing a lot of too much thinking.

I’ll let you in on a secret: some mornings I wake up and I’m not even sure that I want to live in Portugal (and then the questions start!). I mean I love Portugal and would live there tomorrow if money was no object*. But money is an object, and a BIG one at that! I’ve lost count of the amount of times M and I have discussed our options.

But we feel extremely grateful that we even have options.

And the options are there because we live frugally and have no consumer debt. And there is the crux of it all : No debt gives you options.

And that’s pretty much sums up our financial plans for now: pay off the mortgage debt and then think about everything else.

What do you think? Is this too simple a financial plan?

*I mean if money was no object I would have an apartment in Soho, NY and a place near the beach in Portugal ;)

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the money maze and options — 26 Comments

  1. Arrrgghh – you went and did one of those posts – where you describe exactly the types of issues I’m struggling with too! :)

    I’ve gone very quiet on my site recently, and that’s because I’m going through what I call one of my “growth spurts” :) There’s a lot happening under the surface. I’ve had a few major insights/breakthroughs over the two week xmas vacations – and the results are quite surprising for me. I’ve gone through a huge change in attitude where I’m much more organized, making better use of my spare time, and – most surprisingly – really enjoying my job again, and I have some great goals I’m working on – which leaves me wondering what to say on my blog! I’m biting my tongue at the moment and instead working on my book, while I figure out how to put all this into words for my blog readers! :)

    Here are some general thoughts on the other points you mention.

    1) Paying off my mortgage didn’t really change my life as radically as I expected. It’s nice and all, but at the end of the day it just means you have fewer outgoings. For me it wasn’t the game changer I imagined it would be. I still wrestle with many of the issues I had before I paid it off – such as what the hell am I doing with my life! ;)

    2) Reducing expenses tails off in effectiveness exponentially. You can reduce expenses but it gets harder and harder to do so as you reach a certain point. For most, it’s hard to get your expenses below $1000 a month, especially if there are two of you, wherever you go. This is more so these days with the dreadful state of the pound thanks to QE. So – whatever you do you’ll need at least a grand a month coming in.

    3)There’s a lot to be said for keeping a base in the UK, and maybe getting more flexible work (e.g. contract, freelance, work from home etc). You can then use time out to travel to New York, Portugal, wherever, during downtime. Ten years ago my plan was simple: work until fifty and then get out of the UK forever. As I’ve gotten older, traveled more widely, and actually lived overseas in various places I’ve grown to appreciate what we have in the UK more, and I’ve realized that the best things in my life are my family – I don’t want to be too far away from them.

    4) From this and what you’ve said before I wonder if the plan to move to Portugal was an “escape valve”. Especially when we are in high pressure jobs we dislike and only do for the money and conflict with our values we seem to need these escape valves. The thought of something “better” in the long run keeps us going through the daily grind. However, if that pressure was removed, by say moving to a job you liked a lot more and was aligned with your values, the need for the escape valve would disappear. I think this is what happened to me.

    5) It might be worth writing down why Portugal appealed so much to you in the first place. Was it the climate, the sense of freedom, the pace of life? Isolating the *reasons* why you wanted to go there might be useful. It may be possible to get many of these these without moving – although the climate thing might be a bit of an issue! :)

    Good luck and let us know how you get on!

    • Hi Tony! Thank you so much for your thoughts – we (very much) think along the same lines!

      You make so many great points about how I’m feeling right now.
      - Focusing on moving to Portugal was definitely an escape valve, but it’s still something I want to do, just perhaps not forever.
      - Time divided between UK and Portugal sounds like a plan……’cos there’s still this blooming weather to deal with!
      - Agreed £1k is about the minimum…now to earn that in passive income every month!!

      Sorry for the bullets but my mind sometimes gets so addled thinking about this stuff I struggle to string a sentence together! And I lack your talent for writing!

      I’m excited to see your plans and watch your progress this year :)

  2. So much this! My head spins round and round, too, then comes to the same point: no debt gives you options. There will be time to think about the rest!

  3. I think you raise interesting points. You have a clear financial goal – keep at it. You have a dream re: your future lifestyle and it has inspired you but may not be the dream you want to actually live. People and circumstances change as do our dreams but it is inspiring to keep having them. We paid off our mortgage several years ago and it really didn’t change anything about our life except where our money went. Not saying that is a bad thing but it didn’t make any dreams come true.

    • Hi Juhli
      Whatever we decide to do in the future I’ll always be thankful to ‘the dream’ because, as as you say, it’s inspired us.

      It’s tough when you realise that mortgage freedom is only a small part of eventual financial freedom….but it’s a great step towards it.

  4. I wouldn’t say you have lost direction! In fact it would be more worrying if you didn’t let up on your goal until you arrived in Portugal – and then questioned your decision. I think some pauses and questioning are healthy.

  5. I live day to day so see nothing wrong with just “waiting and seeing”… lol! Not everything has to be “set in stone” right? ;)

  6. Tony hits a a few great points. I HVAC had some revelations since paying off my mortgage but it took a good year before I figured it all out. First, when you’re so intensely focused on something that is easy to measure and quantify progress and then its gone, its de-motivating. Debt is tangible and measurable, happiness is not. We expect that when debt goes away, happiness will increase but it does not. It leaves you searching for the answer to the question, what now?

    The biggest gift I received from debt freedom is new perspective on my career. I have an awesome job, but when it felt like a necessity because I needed the money, I tended to focus on the negative bits of it, of which all jobs have something. Them when I started asking myself, is it bad enough to quit over, I would always say no. The ability to walk away is empowering but also puts things into perspective.

    Last month I got back into debt and it doesn’t feel so bad because I like my job. I also am not as obsessed about retirement. Do I regret spending so much time and energy getting out of debt just to do it all over again? Absolutely not because there’s no way we could have bought the 2 family house we did and and carried 3 mortgages. We have 2 houses to sell and one to fix up and it’s not stressing me out as much as it would if we had the payments on top of everything else.

    • Thank you for that First Gen. You have really summed up there what I’m going through now.

      “First, when you’re so intensely focused on something that is easy to measure and quantify progress and then its gone, its de-motivating. Debt is tangible and measurable, happiness is not. We expect that when debt goes away, happiness will increase but it does not. It leaves you searching for the answer to the question, what now?”

      Went through that last year and it’s not nice! I like having very measurable goals: distance run, weight, debt – It’s the intangibles I struggled with last year.

      “The biggest gift I received from debt freedom is new perspective on my career. I have an awesome job, but when it felt like a necessity because I needed the money, I tended to focus on the negative bits of it, of which all jobs have something. Then when I started asking myself, is it bad enough to quit over, I would always say no. The ability to walk away is empowering but also puts things into perspective.”

      This is exactly where I find myself. After dreaming about retirement and quitting work for so long, I am seeing work as more of an interesting challenge and I am enjoying it far more – it’s a WTF moment for me!

      I’m still processing it all and as you mentioned I think it will take me a year or so to figure it all out.

      Thanks again for your valuable perspective,
      Tony

    • Hi First Gen – thank you for your thoughts.
      It’s interesting that both you and Tony had similar feelings after achieving mortgage freedom – given your experiences it may be wise for me to use this time (next 35 months) to work out exactly what I want to do next. Like you it may be more mortgage debt ;)

      I’m glad you have better perspective on your career – I left it too late to want to rescue my career, but that in itself was a blessing. I’m much happier now.

      It’s good to hear from you – it sounds like you have a lot on your plate right now :)

  7. questioning things makes you a totally normal person, also straying from the well worn path every now and them keeps things interesting…….

    Gill in Canada

  8. I think of this all the time. We’d love to live in Hawaii, but it’s not realistic for us right now. We can actually afford to, but want a different education for the kids while they are in school. I know we want to keep our Oregon beach house for summers, and then spend most of fall/winter/spring in Hawaii once we retire. We’ll both likely do some freelance work.

    But, I have a hard time with detailed plans without solving the big issues in front of me, so I completely relate to the “pay off debt, then decide if we want to move philosophy.”

  9. I think as long as you remain on the path to financial freedom, it doesn’t matter where the destination lies. If it’s Porgual, great! If it’s somewhere else, that’s awesome, too. We age, grow, and learn and our wants/needs change. As long as you keep working towards being debt-free, you will be free to do what you want. :)
    Kristina

  10. I agree with Kristina, by working hard on your finances you are creating options for yourself and for your family. Things change and people change. If you want to live in Portugal for half a year or for just one month a year that’s up to you! Financial freedom gives you a lot of power over your life. Enjoy it!!

  11. We paid our mortgage off a few years ago also and I have to say I am not sure where that money goes now. I mean, we have a second car now as my husband is older and doesn’t enjoy the walk to work in our canada winters anymore and we have an 18 year old and 14 year old so we need the freedom of a second car…..other than that well, our 18 year old is in college also so money goes there. I think that we’d be better off to take a small mortgage back on this house and use the money to buy a condo where we want or fractional ownership place somewhere with the money and then for the next 6 years (minimum hubby has to work before he can retire with full pension) pay that off so when he retires we will have our house AND our condo/other place. I just think that otherwise the money just goes and we end up no farther ahead. We live basically (no smoking/drinking) but we live on hubby’s salary only. Can you buy a fractional ownership property in Portugal? ….you know where you pay a price and get like 3 months of the year there?

    • Hi Denise
      We haven’t looked into fractional ownership before, or even thought of it! So thank you for the idea :)

      We have the potential to sell our house in the uk and buy two smaller places, one in the UK, one in Portugal, or do what you are considering. Buy and payoff somewhere else.